Conversational fluidity: using the FriendFeed river

by Dennis Howlett on December 16, 2008

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Like so many emerging trends of the last few years, perceptions around ‘conversation’ has changed. Once rooted in the idea that blogs would be the foundation upon which we converse with the world, there has been a real shift.

Much earlier in the year, several of the blogerati noticed a phenomenon well articulated by Stowe Boyd and summarized by Taylor Davidson:

Instead of helping to solve the natural problem of communication that is called “being human”, online communication tools have only added to the complexity. Discontinuous. Fractured. Lack of context. Asynchronous communications scatter across our various inboxes, comments litter the web, incomplete conversations are lost amid the noise. Group conversations evolve, devolve, tune people out as the meanings and topics change, change from private to public to private.

In short, it’s a bit like picking up a bundle of daily newspapers and sifting through to find the commonalities or nuggets that matter to you.

Most of the people I want to reach have little idea let alone desire to connect beyond the blog (or email.) They might know about Facebook but they likely don’t know (or care) about Twitter, FriendFeed, Tumblr, Diigo, SocialMedian and a myriad of other services that are fracturing and splintering our communications. The problem comes, how do you bring it all together when they are being spread in this manner?

Robert Scoble attempts to answer this from the perspective of trying to get smarter in news gathering but the same could be said about any form of conversation where you want the best of what you can find:

Watching 5,000 people tell me the latest news is changing everything about what I think news in the future will look like.

Your friends will bring you the news. Just like here.

Then we’ll talk about it. That’s my comment feed so you can see what I’m talking about.

Then we’ll blog about it, or do our own reporting.

And the cycle will start all over again.

It’s a problem I’ve been mulling for some time and is one of the reasons you can see a FriendFeed box at the end of each post plus a lifestream panel in the right hand sidebar. The difficulty comes in figuring out how to filter the attention streams, keeping a watch and then bringing that to people’s attention at the appropriate time.

Filtering is relatively easy. On FriendFeed for instance, I don’t follow anything like the number of people I do on Twitter. I’ve pared that back to a relatively small number of people who are most influential to me. I could easily add a lot of people who might add to my understanding of the world but then I’d still need to make a hand picked list of those most important to me. I can do that with FriendFeed by creating lists – the equivalent of categories if you like. But am I not recreating the lists of those I filter in email? Where’s the real difference? More important, where’s the advantage because in truth FriendFeed and other services is largely restricted to a tiny subset of people who might add value? That’s something I’m trying to work through right now.

Last weekend, I called up Scoble to get his thoughts on this because while he is a proponent of moving to where the conversation is really taking place i.e. FriendFeed, I was struggling to see how he could possibly manage the tsunami of stuff coming at him – check out his real-time flow to get a sense of what I mean. It turns out he doesn’t actively manage them. Instead, he has selected around 200 people he wants to hear from (most of the time) and dips into the torrent when it is appropriate to do so. That’s fair enough. But I need something more.

Scoble wants to be a news breaker and that directs his approach. In my wee niche I don’t have such issues. Sure, it’s nice to be first out the gate with a story but it is in the analysis that I find the meanings that matter to me. That still requires the assimilation of many sources but it also means parsing through the layers of nuance. That should be familiar to all professionals who want to know where the balance of argument lays such they can proffer the ‘correct’ advice – which we all know is never going to happen. Maybe a close approximation.

Then we have the problem of keeping a watch or paying attention. I don’t think we’re remotely close to getting the right answer. RSS feeds help, filtering does part of the job. But in truth I rely on – wait for it – email alerts because I just don’t have the time to give 100% attention or even 5%.

And then what happens when tastes change or new and powerful voices emerge? I go through the cycle again.

I’m hoping that in 2009, we’ll see technologies emerge that crack this nut and are self evident to the point where it is a no brainer for anyone to pick them up. FriendFeed is a part of the answer today but as I said earlier, only reaches a small subset of people. Even so, many of thosee voices are helpful to my quest for innovation. Whether it remains so in the future is another matter. Hence the title: conversational fluidity. Perhaps some form of alert ticker will do the job?

Of course none of this might matter to many of the professionals that read this stuff but be aware that someone, somewhere is almost certainly talking about you. If they’re not doing that, then they’re certainly talking about issues that matter.

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  • @Taylor - these are all valid points and I agree we should not be too proscriptive. On the question of 'how' it really comes down to 'know your audience' because that will set the stage for how it is nuanced. That's one of the reasons I got so heartily annoyed at FastForward yesterday. The language of revolution doesn't wash in business. It seems such a small thing but one that so many forget.
  • I know I'm returning to an old post, but it's been a subject on my mind for awhile, and with a recent crop of articles on the web about the value of user-generated content and our current processes for filtering and deciphering the noise, I found this to be an interesting discussion.

    We constantly hear the refrain that there is too much "stuff" being created on the web, that blogging is dead, that real thought is being pushed behind the noise of daily trivial conversations. So what? How is that different from how we've ever interacted? What's different now is that our localized, trivial, ephemeral conversations are no longer localized or ephemeral, but permanent, stored, logged for everyone to see, index, search. They are still trivial :)

    I've been having a conversation close to this topic with @bryanlanders about how to present our data to other people; how do we present information and hold conversations in methods and manners preferred by the users and not the creators (site owners)?

    There is no monolithic right answer and probably never will be. Some will want to dip into the stream at times, others will want to be constantly engaged in real-time, while others will want to come back to things they may have missed, and those different interaction methods create the need for different filtering tools and processes. We have different levels for "too much", "too public", "too private", "too trivial" et. al.

    We each create our own filtering systems for our own lives, and while there is great scope for innovation in the area of conversational tracking and management, the key will be less about creating the "right" method but in making sure that all our filtering methods and conversational tools work together.
  • Thanks Hutch - this is incredibly valuable feedback, providing more food for thought.
  • Dennis, thoughtful stuff. In my view, without easy answers.

    I agree with that sense of being fractured around different communities and I too lack a certainty of how to integrate that conversation. I would tend to agree that FriendFeed, from the limited exposure I have to it, has the best chance of the tools to date, but as you say, what of the many who are not on there? I find some of the conversational aspects of FriendFeed appealing but I have a hard enough time keeping up with the Twitterstream in between bouts of deadlines.

    I like this distinction between breaking news and deeper analysis. I think our participation in these communities all depends on our agendas. Figuring out why we do what we do is a help, though it doesn't solve all the problems of which tools to use. I loved your line: "it is in the analysis that I find the meanings that matter to me. That still requires the assimilation of many sources but it also means parsing through the layers of nuance." That's definitely more what I shoot for in my own work, though it's more of a vision of something I'm aiming for than something I achieve. But I have a clear enough idea of it that it dictates for me that I'm not someone who needs to break news or have Scoble's impressive volume of contacts.

    I'm having a related issue because I had been posting some more personal and social commentary on my Facebook page. I got weary of "friends" posting annoying and mean-spirited stuff on my wall. So, I stopped posting. Now a few peeps are trying to get me to resume my rants. But again, it feels fragmented as you say. How many web sites do I want to have a presence on? And does it ever come together? Especially when you have diverse interests and passions?

    I don't have an answer so I look forward to seeing other comments to your post. I haven't decided whether to return to my Facebook stuff. Right now, strangely enough, I find the SAP commentary I'm trying to do more compelling, maybe because there are so many exceptionally bright people as part of that community right now that inspire me to continue there. The one thing I do know is that, for myself, I tend to prefer finding a few areas of focus than getting too spread out. I appreciate you inviting me onto FriendFeed and I will definitely try it more, but I do worry about getting spread too thin - especially at a point where I do have to turn in some billable work also. :) This type of online interaction makes my work much more informed, but then, after I point, I have to do the work. And finding time to do that focused work has become one of my biggest challenges of all.

    See you online soon. :)

    - Jon -
  • Nice post Dennis.I follow more people on FriendFeed than I do on Twitter. How is that possible? Lists. Don't underestimate the power of those. I spend my workdays monitoring my own hand-crafted Enterprise 2.0 List (you, being a social media maven...uh...collaboration thinker, are on my List). I've got 45 individuals on the List right now. And I've turned off the friend-of-friend feature for that List.

    So that's a relatively small number of people. Call that Part 1 of my Enterprise 2.0 List.

    Part 2 comes from tracking keywords. I set up a Room on FriendFeed that tracks tweets and Del.icio.us bookmarks related to Enterprise 2.0 (http://friendfeed.com/rooms/enterprise-2-0): enterprise 2.0, e2.0, social software, social computing. Now I'm tracking a much larger number of people, but only for topics I care about.

    My Enterprise 2.0 List thus is...all content by a select few, select content by all.

    Final touch for all this? Pop that List into its own real-time window. FriendFeed's real-time is similar to an Adobe Air client, but it's all browser based. Set to the side of your monitor and easily track the conversational flow.

    It's not quite your alerts for tracking specific high value content by certain individuals (e.g. "Stowe Boyd just related Flow to SAP's efforts on collaboration"). But it's a pretty good roll-your-own system for staying on top of things.
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